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This is very inconsistent with my personal experience with Asperger's. I was diagnosed as a teen back when it was still a diagnosis that was given in the US, and as an adult I feel the diagnosis describes me very well.

First, the verbosity you describe as being typical of autism is, well, not. It is true that a lot of type 1 autistics or aspies are hyperlexic. But a lot of us think more in images and nebulous concepts--famously, Temple Grandin. Non-famously, me; and I have been a tremendous bookworm both as a child and at present. I have little to no internal monologue unless I exert conscious effort to put my thoughts into words. Beyond that, type 2 and type 3 autistics commonly have difficulties with language and speech, to the point of being selectively or entirely nonverbal.

Second, re: detecting lies. Most people vastly overestimate their ability to identify when someone is lying. On average, trying to tell when someone is lying doesn't give you any more accurate information than flipping a coin. (Secondary source: the American Psychological Association, here: https://www.apa.org/monitor/2016/03/deception) I find it laughable when someone suggests that I should rely more on gut instinct and nonverbal cues than on factual context and theory of mind to identify whether someone is being motivated to lie to me.

Third, as an aspie, reading fiction helped me develop better theory of mind, and helped me develop skills to better relate to other people. Obviously real people don't function quite like book characters, but trying to tease out the intentions and motivations of fictional characters was good low-stakes practice for interpreting the more complexee, nuance, and consequential information I come across in real life.

Finally--something i do agree with you on. The digital age, and digital entertainment, certainly do distance us from out direct experience of our bodies. It would not surprise me if the average teen today had less kinesthetic awareness and worse vestibular & proprioception processing (common traits of autistic people!) than a teen in, say, the 60s. Put more broadly, I do think it's plausible that being extremely bookish exacerbates the motor problems associated with ASD. For that reason we could all do with some more yoga or team sports or whatever activity catches one's interest.

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Interesting stuff that dovetailed with McGilchrist!

But the main cause of autism is aluminum. Dr Christopher Exley examined brains from a bank that died of autism and Alzheimer's... It's a 90+% correlation in both!

https://drchristopherexley.substack.com/

I can say that I don't have the super chatty mind but I was very much into books! I used to read everything I could get my hands on. But that wasn't forced until school where teachers expected us to read Shakespeare and be experts at it.... Or to memorize what year so and so signed a treaty.... Or math and science classes that made us memorize formulas....

That's where the damage kicks in. I dropped out of college in favor of a technical field. I couldn't keep memorizing shit. It went against my being. And haha, later on I meet these engineers who can't even remember basic formulas 😂.

Here's a quote that gives a funny point about higher education:

"The evolutionary psychologist William von Hippel found that humans use large parts of thinking power to navigate social world rather than perform independent analysis and decision making. For most people it is the mechanism that, in case of doubt, will prevent one from thinking what is right if, in return, it endangers one’s social status. This phenomenon occurs more strongly the higher a person’s social status. Another factor is that the more educated and more theoretically intelligent a person is, the more their brain is adept at selling them the biggest nonsense as a reasonable idea, as long as it elevates their social status. The upper educated class tends to be more inclined than ordinary people to chase some intellectual boondoggle. "

-Sasha Latypova

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